What I did, as opposed to simply slapping them and getting on with my day, was spend the better part of an hour fixing their comment so it was readable, then issuing a point-by-point rebuttal in red. For clarity:
[Stupid comment.] [Admittedly slightly cruel rebuttal, but one with reason and logic behind it.] [Next stupid comment] [Next rebuttal.]
The entirety of what is to follow was drafted and written in under an hour, but it's not like it was hard to pick apart their logic. Major apologies if I offend any of you for bashing the bible, but know that it's simply how I feel about it and it's not something I look to shove in your face on a daily basis. I suppose it's how I treat my atheism, that is, while respecting other people's views.
Ok. So let's say I supported Yes on 8. Does that make me a homophobic? NO. Yes. You're taking away rights from someone because of who they are. That's oppression, or more simply, bullying. Bullying someone for who they are is called bigotry, or in this case, homophobia. It means that I believe that the definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. Does it mean that I don't think that gay people should have other legal rights? No. Actually, yes. An inch is as good as a mile, really. If they can't do everything you can, then you're better than they are. By taking away their ability to do everything can, you're trying to make yourself better. Does it mean that I have absolutely no tolerance for people that are gay? No. It would seem you don't, from those acts, but given my suspicion of who you are (and thereby knowing you, at least a while back) I'm willing to take you at your word and say you /do/ have tolerance. It does mean that I may have my opinions, like maybe I think that just because someone "comes out" doesn't mean they can go willy nilly and do whatever they want. Willy nilly and what? Get married, as a method of showing their commitment to their partner? No, god forbid the gays do that! Who said anything about going willy nilly? They just want to get hitched, get the fuck over it.Sure, there are lot of other things they go around doing other than prop-8 related things Bigots tend to not just do one thing, true. I'm shocked., and I'm not even talking about that now....actually I'm getting a little ahead of myself... I agree. You're far ahead of yourself. Given your ideas, you're about five, which puts you about ten years ahead of yourself. Get some education, and come back.
But guess what? Just because I don't support gay marriage doesn't mean I want to go throw rocks at them and bully them silly! As I've said, supporting taking away their rights /is/ bullying them, so why bother throwing rocks? You're already bullying them, why do it twice over? Who does that? Bigots. Wanting to stick with traditional marriage is OK. It isn't, actually, in this case, as you're acting like the two have to be mutually exclusive. I understand how people can think that I hate gay people. But guess what? I DON'T. Get that? I do not hate gay people. I recognize that you think you don't, but there's incredible evidence to the contrary. There. Now quit calling me a homophobe and get on with your lives. I don't even know who the hell you are. That'd make it really difficult for me to call you a homophobe. Well, not really. "That idiotic anon who posted on the homosexuality post is a homophobe (look, redundancy!) I love people. ALL PEOPLE. Lies. You're lying, here. You might think otherwise, but it looks like you're just another bigot (Whoa, I'm getting sorta worked up Hardly. Caps are just for emphasis, not necessarily to show that you're getting worked up. And besides, passion about something is a good thing, it can show that you have absolute faith in who you are. That's good, except when you're wrong.....sorry bout that... Don't be. Look at the one who edited everything you wrote as a rebuttal.) And I'm going to stick with my opinion, and you guys can sure as heck keep saying I'm an awful person, Believe me, we will, because you are. cuz' apparently you can do anything you want In that case, I'll be at your place in five to rape you. If I can do anything I want, I'm going to wreck you emotionally. . But just to let you know, maybe we as people should start having more tolerance for other people too. There's so much hippocracy here I can hardly even think of a word to describe it. I'll go ahead and leave it as hella. Hella hippocracy. You're preaching tolerance a paragraph after saying you support taking away other people's rights. Maybe we can tolerate that other people believe that a strong family is important, What you're trying to say here is that a family with two dads or two moms can't be strong. Says... who? You? God? That angry man on the street corner preaching the end is nigh? That's the stupidest thing I've heard since the sentence before it. that because I believe in traditional marriage, I am NOT stupid I think you're stupid for acting like it and gay marriage are mutually exclusive. I don't think you're stupid! You just disagree with me, I respect that. I respect you, you're just being wrong to a point where I think you're stupid. But I /totally/ respect you. Come on, those who're reading this guy's blog, you're flipping awesome! It took me like a minute to figure out what the fuck that sentence was supposed to be, but I don't disagree with that.
But maybe we need to tolerate those who maybe are voicing their opinion, Doesn't mean I can't disagree with it, does it? I'd tolerate you, but I'm not supposed to like bigots. Sorry. which I admit is in the minority of the opinion bowl most of the time. I tried, I swear to your god, but I could /not/ figure out what the hell an opinion bowl is. Since when does only the minority voice their opinion, though? And really, how did the bowl come to be involved? I believe that God created men and women for a reason. I don't believe in God, and I don't think we really have a purpose except living for each other. Which I've mentioned. That he created us. I don't have a problem with that, it's just not what I think. And you know what? No, what? I believe that God should be the one to draw the line, and not us. I'm an Atheist, so this sentence is about as not-how-I-think as is possible. But still: I'll go out on a limb and say you're christian. So you're taking your hints from god via the bible. The same bible that endorses slavery, and fails to mention rape in the ten commandments? That is sexist beyond measure? Yeah. Great book to take queues from. I don't have a problem with that, really I don't, until you start using it as a weapon against those who get the shaft in your beloved tome. I believe that as men and women we have free agency, but we also have consequences for what we do. So we have free choice, but there are consequences for our actions? My mind is blown, really. No shit, there are consequences. But what I think you're getting at is you think homosexuality is a choice, and that there should be consequences for that. It isn't. And there sure as hell shouldn't be a consequence for that, unless you okay me slapping your ass and telling you what to do because you're a woman. And I also think that maybe you don't want me to go all preachy on you, Too late. I went preachy on you, but I don't apologize for it. so I'll stop there. Thank your god.But don't go bashing on me because I believe in God, ok? I have never, ever bashed someone for their belief in god. I'll freely bash your holy tome, because it's racist, sexist, and homophobic, but I'll never bash you for having faith in a creator an afterlife. I did for a considerable amount of time, and I know it's comforting. I stopped believing in it, but I'm not going to give you shit about it. I mean sure you can, and you probably want to after everything that I've ranted about. No, I want to rant to you about what you ranted about. I bashed your tome a bit, though, just so you'll feel good for provoking me.
Just know that I do not hate gay people. Again, overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I have my opinion, Go ahead and have it, I just disagree with it. I noted why in red. There's a lot of red. I do not support gay relationships, I noticed. It's horrifyingly obvious. but I also don't yell and scream at them true, to my knowledge, but as I said, you want them to have their rights taken away? What kind of shit is that? Why bother yelling, you can just take away things that make their life enjoyable. about how much I don't support it. Then what the /fuck/ do you call this? I don't call them names, You don't need to. Take away their rights, that's plenty. they are people too, No shit. So why act like they aren't? Why act like they're people, just people who are below you? and we're being totally cliche. No, we aren't. It's called feeling passionately about something, which is good. Maybe passion blinded your eyes, so you couldn't tell how stupid you were being. But for the record, I believe in traditional marriage, I got that. Me too, but you can't have it be exclusively traditional. Just say the words: gay marriage isn't wrong. Now learn it, idiot. but I do not hate gays. With each sentence, you say otherwise. Why pretend? There. There? As in over there? As in, over there, where I left my brain so I could unthinkingly leave an unintelligent post in which I not only contradict myself, but I also insult gays dozens of times? Just thought I'd set the record there in a few thousand words. Rather, you fucked up the record. All the red is how much straightening it took. Jeebas. And I'm only goin' anonymous here cuz' I don't have any google account or blog press fancy thing. Utter bullshit, you even say so in the next motherfucking sentence. PLus, I know there's gonna be some argument here and I'd rather just state whatI believe and not have people mock me even more for it You said earlier, about a paragraph and a half earlier, that there are consequences for our actions. I guess I'll rely on your god for this on, or you can grow a fucking pair and admit who you are. If you're going to be stupid, at least admit who you are, otherwise it's practically an admission of idiocy. Which is really in tune with the rest of this post, so I suppose it fits. so.... Sorry to dissapoint. You have no idea how not disappointing it is. Rather, it's fantastic. You're a dream. A contradictory idiot who can't think coherently and makes grand assumptions which aren't true. The part that makes you so dreamy is you're preaching the other side of the argument. If you're going to take the wrong side, then do so quietly and let the good liars who make a little amount of sense (until one looks into what they're saying, of course.)
In summary, this anon is a contradictory idiot for saying they don't hate gays and then providing overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Let this serve as an example, readers, of what I do to those who are wrong. I'm only mean so long as they're stupid. So, I'm basically mean all the time, but I'm also right, so fuck your shit and comment the hell out of this thing.

23 comments:
great, no */GREAT/* post. i think, that he/she is going to have to do a lot of thinking to come up with a counterargument, but he/she probably will read this, and be like oh shist i better just not comment in fear of being expertly ripped apart and figuratively buttfucked (also against the bible teehee) i would have an OUNCE of respect for this person if they at least left their name. also i juzzed myself reading this at least three times. this guy/girl is the equivelant in the amount of bullshit their representing as those "scientists" behind Intelligent Design if you don't know what that is look it up. hopefully they'll be man/woman enough to argue the point more, or at least admit they got raped. great post my friend.
HOLYSHITTHATWASSOAMAZINGITHINKIALMOSTJUSTCAME.
*Ahem* Sorry about that.
That was ridiculously, unequivocally, and unmistakably awesome, epic and Uber pwnage. You, sir, are a genius.
I COMPLETELY agree on every single thing that you wrote (no lie. It's no wonder why we're best friends. =D), and I hope to anon's god that they (she, I believe. That's what anon's original writing made it sound like) reads this post and comments back. She will most likely try to make some attemptedly witty comment/rebuttal, but end up sounding an idiot and completely wrong, and totally skip over and avoid subjects that she knows she can't argue with. Well, argue with and win (which, in all honesty, is everything written here).
I wish that she would comment and say "You're right. I've been an ignorant, unintelligent, judgmental and bigoted bitch, and I've only hated gays because the Bible told me to." Sadly, however, this will not happen, as the anon is, as has been stated many, many times, an idiot.
Austin: Learn how to fucking capitalise. I believe that that has been said to you multiple times.
@Austin thankee. :D
@Chris Thank you, and it is no wonder. Also, seconded. Austin, learn to capitalize!
I disagree with both anon and anthony in this post, in different ways. I'd explain, but it'd take a damn long time that I don't have at the moment. I'll just leave it at that. Sorry guys :P
Leave it at that my ass. Conor, you're explaining RIGHT NOW.
Well, NOW I'm able to so I suppose I will. I disagree with anon's opinion, but I believe you were waaaay too harsh on anon. Anon was obviously raised to believe that marriage SPECIFICALLY was between a man and a woman. They said that this DOESNT mean that they hate gays, and they DONT think gays are stupid. That's just their belief on /marriage/. This also doesn't mean they can't be bonded, just not in /marriage/.
This is how anon was raised to think, and their honest opinion about /marriage/. This was not a hate speech against all gays, but you acted as if it was. You're wrong when you say that there is evidence against their statement "I do not hate gays", just because they have different views about /marriage/ doesn't mean that they HATE gays.
Inb4 shitstorm calling me a gay hater too and siding with anon
Not calling anyone names, just respectfully disagreeing with anon's opinion and anthony's conduct.
Conor, I appreciate your calm, reasoning tone. It was a pleasure to read, but I'll have to disagree, on a few crucial points:
First off, it doesn't matter how they were raised. I was raised to believe in god, I don't. People our age can /think/, and it's not anyone else's business to deny our right to independent thought. My mother and I disagree on tons of things (out of body experiences, abortion rights, et cetera) because I /think/.
Secondly, it does, in my opinion, mean they hate gays. Denying anyone a right for who they are is a terrible thing. The right to bonded bit sounds like a civil union (incorrect term? Unknown.) Marriage is a highly symbolic act, a show of complete and utter commitment, which is all well and good, but it also holds many legal benefits.
I acted like it was a hate speech against all gays because it was a speech defending bigotry. That sounds like a hate speech to me...
I would never, /EVER/ call you a gay hater. You respectfully disagreed, as I am with you. I may have not given the anon the same treatment, because they /are/ a gay hater.
I guess we merely have different opinions on what level people can be considered "gay haters"
Hey! It's me, Shannon. First off, the anon post wasn't me just fyi.
Second, it's a very complicated question. I personally see denying gay marriage as a tool of big business to deny medical and dental (lotta money in there) to the life partners of their employees. They simply don't want to pay up. They are exploiting religious views of diverse christian churches to do this.
Third, the catholic church defines the state of being gay as disordered thinking. They will not try to convert or condemn gay people, but they don't want people to think being gay is the right or best answer. I disagree with this.
Fourth, assuming you believe in catholic teaching on this point, that gay people aren't thinking straight (haha-pun not intended), then denying them marriage is the right answer. I mean, you wouldn't give a sociopath a gun, right? People deny other people basic rights based on who they are all the time.
@Shannon
This is unexpected, though given my recent actions I suppose I should've seen this coming.
First off, neat. Secondly, I hardly see it as an economic thing, what it comes down to is bigotry. Though you argue the source of said bigotry, I think you can hardly say that it's not bigotry.
Which brings me to your third and fourth points:
Disagree with it /how/ exactly? And The only sense I could make of that last paragraph was the last two sentences, to which I say this: Being a sociopath is hardly comparable to being homosexual, wouldn't you agree? I mean, sociopaths are a danger to society. Unless you're saying that's what gays are, then your example makes no sense. (And if that /is/ what you're saying, get the fuck out, I have nothing more to say to you.)
Hey Anthony! btw, I love your blog, even though I don't exactly agree with everything you post! Ha. But seriously, you're crazy good at this whole blogging thing. I feel inspired! Haha... Oh and for the record this is Maddie, just in case my technical mind can't figure out how to put that as my title. Anywho, thought I would input on this post. If I don't make sense just as much as anon., go ahead, expose me to your blogging world :) But I think I can do a bit better than that.
Ok, so as much as the writer basically just made a super rant that was a little hard to follow, (and I bet that's what's gonna happen to me so hang in there...it's a habit) I get where they're going. And don't murder me here, but I agree with them on this one... I believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman too, but that definitely doesn't make me a gay hater. And I also definitely get why you would think that I would be. Cuz' I know you do.
My personal stand on this whole thing? Well I believe that marriage should be between a man and woman, because the formation of families are central to life and to the Creator's, and my Heavenly Father's plan. A less religious standpoint is to encourage monogamous and loving marriages and to provide the optimal environment to ensure the well being of children.
But here's me and my religious stand on it, and I know you don't have the same perspective that way. I've grown up all churchy, and heck that's how I'm gonna keep growing up...and you don't wanna here all about that huh? but that's sorta straying from our ranting path here, isn't it? Homophobia means I don't wanna be anywhere near a gay person. That's not me.
I think that "anonymous" just tried to let their opinion out a bit but maybe they didn't explain it quite as well as they could have...or write it as profoundly as you responded to it. I read the original...and danggg. That's one messed up keyboard.
I understand that a lot of people are much more liberally minded than me so you guys will all probably find every little thing to prove me wrong at. Hey, you can bash me too, and I know we will forever disagree. So really, what's the point in even arguing? I guess it's for the sake of personal benefit and voicing of opinions. Fun times...but usually I don't really put in my opinion unless it comes up, I really don't enjoy telling everyone off as much as I can. So here it is! And here I am backing this anonymous up a lil bit. Haha... funny...I'm sounding more and more like your anon. friend. Ah well. Point made. Maybe.
Ok, one thing that's bugging me (there are many things bugging me about this psot, obviously, but I'm focusing on this one at the moment). Are people here saying that because you're in a gay marriage, it must not be a monogomous relationship? Because that's really just bull. Just because a person is gay/lesbian doesn't mean they don't believe in being faithful to their partner. Perhaps I read a few comments wrong, and if so, correct me.
Another part that I have to comment on: While I believe this to be a great post because you, Johnny, are expressing the way you feel about gay rights, bigots, etc., and I agree with your opinions, I think you are wrong in that this anon. does not seem to be a homophobe. I think he/she is just not for gay marriage, and therefore, not for gay rights. I, of course, think that it's (I don't want to use the word 'stupid' in here as that's not the word I'm sure is appropriate, so shall we say instead:) extremely close-minded not to allow two people who are truly in love to be joined in Holy matrimony simply because it does not follow "traditional" marriage guidelines (the definition of which I could go off on an equally long rant about, but won't as this comment is already too long).
One last thing, I'd like to point out to Maddie, which ever Maddie you may be, that I don't think anyone has the right to bash you because you're agreeing with someone that is an idiot. That is, so long as you make it clear that you are not defending their idiocy so much as agreeing with the basis of their opinion, no matter how lost it may have become in the idiocy of their jumbled remarks (see, for example, anonymous's comment. It makes no sense, gramatically or theoretically, though I suppose that's a redundant thing to say, since that's what everyone is ranting about). I have a TON more to say, but this comment is, as I mentioned earlier, way too long, so I'll leave it at that.
Two more things. 1), where I said "we say instead:)" that was a colon and then a closing parentheses, not a smilie.
2) I'd like to point out how both Anon. and Maddie (though mostly, no, almost /completely/ Anon.), throughout their entire argument, would occasionally compliment the person/persons they were disagreeing with. I think I do it too, as do most persons, because one tends to think that by throwing in a compliment to the opposing side, making someone on your side look bad so you don't look as bad, or even insulting yourself/your argument every now and again will somehow make the person you're arguing with be less angry with you. Realistically, it just takes away from the validity of your argument, as is shown very clearly in Anon's comment. Sorry, had to post it.
Holy shit I can't believe that there's so much to respond to.
This is the most discussed post fucking... ever. Awesome.
Since I can't possibly respond to all that, allow me to give you lot the condensed version:
Two of you agree with me, three don't. Three and three. Well, three and four, counting anon. But I don't think there's a clear winner or loser here. Much as it pains me to admit it, none or very few of us are willing to give ground on this topic, so while I'm sure that there's a right and wrong side to this argument, so does everyone else involved. No leeway, no battle, no victory.
It was, however, refreshing to hear everyone's thoughts on the subject. And I liked all the compliments to my writing. :D
Ah bummer, well there goes trying to have a nice argument. Guess there's no such thing.
ha...that was in response to Halley. Yeah well I didn't really think you'd mind a bit of compliments knowing you...and hey, that was a much more positive comment than I thought. For this I thank you. In as much of a non- compliment coating way as possible, just for Halley's well being. ha. but yay anthony. i agree with you on that last one. there's a first...
Ah crap, Maddie I totally didn't mean to insult you, I shouldn't have mentioned you in that anyway, it didn't apply to you haha! You know I love you Maddie! =)
oh haha...that relieves my inner pain a little bit halley :) haha...oh and for the record @ anthony, the whole butt rape thing...not so cool...just had to put that in there somewhere. kay im done. i think.
This whole bit's @ Maddie, so whatever.
Look, I'm all for having a nice argument, it's just I have to know there's a possibility of winning. I will /not/ make it through that without contesting your religious beliefs, your bible, and you'll probably hate me for the shit I /will/ say. So let's skip, yes?
And the rape thing was quite necessary to display just /how/ wrong anon was.
I'm going to state the obvious and say that this post is hard as hell to make a legitimate comment that is contradictory to Anthony's opinion, given that this is HIS ****ING BLOG, NOT YOURS!
If I am being honest, a blog is not the right environment for a debate (there is a class for that). I will only say that no opinions are going to change today, but some feelings were hurt.
People, don't hate each other, and don't you DARE say that you've never hated anything. America needs its new generation to work together. Take time to educate yourself, then make your home- OUR HOME- a better place.
Possums for life,
yet another anon
Possums for life, preaching lessons that would make the world /so much better/ and a style of wording that I believe hints at a level of respect for my blog...
I know who that is. I <3 you, Andrewnonymous.
Just read all the comments since my last one. Halley, tried to get the same idea across as ya but I guess I said it wrong :P Maddie is merely another example of what we were referring to.
Also, although you think it's fun, don't try to provoke Anthony in a fight Maddie. He will utterly destroy you, make you question your beliefs and all past opinions, and pretty much tear you a new one. Gave a similar warning to Kagel before. He seemed to take the advice.
Also anon, would have respected your post more if you said the world instead of just America... really don't know why that bugged me but it did. Oh well, still agree all the same.
Oh and just as a sidenote: Shannon's referral to sociopaths when on the gay rights topic was merely a metaphor to the closemindedness of the people running the place, not her beliefs. She's just saying that's how the dumbshits view it as, giving sociopaths a gun. Sadly this is true, some people are just too harsh in this world
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